Thou Shall Cut on Gear and Bulk off Cycle

How many times have you heard someone say “I’m going to bulk up while on cycle and cut up once I’m finished?” They are probably under the train of thought that they can eat everything in sight as long as it has protein in it. The trainee is most likely using aromatizing bulking agents for their cycle, which elicits estrogenic body fat accumulation in Alpha-2 enriched adipose sites.

Estrogenic Alpha-2 Receptors Shown Below:

A poorly planned diet disregarding quality calories on top of highly aromatizable compounds is a perfect recipe for looking like a sumo wrestler instead of a bodybuilder! These misinformed individuals typically think that they will magically cut up once they cease their cycle of anabolics. Due to an ignorant nutrition program and a lack of understanding about the way hormones work, they set themselves up for a major disappointment.  Sure they naturally lose excessive water retention from discontinuing the aromatizing compounds and fool themselves into thinking they are on their way to being shredded, but that surely isn’t the case. In fact, they will most likely lose everything they gained on cycle, and perhaps look worse than before starting the cycle. An insufficient recovery, due to excessive calorie cutting and ineffective PCT products will yield a catabolic environment. Deciding to diet down during your post cycle therapy is perhaps the most catastrophic time to do so. You see, when in PCT, your endogenous hormone levels are plummeted and high calories from protein, carbohydrates, and fats are crucial in holding size, and keeping cortisol levels under control.  When you diet during a post cycle therapy phase you are essentially pouring more gas on the catabolic fire. You increase cortisol by reducing calories lower than on cycle, incorporating more cardiovascular training, and opting for lighter weight and higher reps for your weight training.  Please do not make this mistake and throw your muscle gains and money down the toilet, and keep reading to learn a better approach to proper hormone cycling.

——–OR——–

The wisest approach when cycling would be to aim for an extreme composition change where you diet stringently to achieve the lowest body fat possible, while gaining muscle mass in the process. In order to accomplish such a feat, you need to be incredibly meticulous with your diet, training, and cardio regimen.  You should plan a cycle that is safe and effective so you have adequate time to meet your goal. A 12-18 week cycle would be recommended as you want to gradually lower body fat and increase muscle mass. The first half of the cycle and sometimes a little longer is what I refer to as “the grace period,” meaning, at that time you should still have adequate nutrition for muscle accrual yet low enough calories to continuously shed body fat. The final 4 weeks of the diet should be brutally strict and at this time you will you go from “ripped” to “shredded.” Calories are further reduced and cardiovascular exercise is maximized, the exogenous hormones will be able to prevent you from burning up muscle.

“RIPPED to SHREDDED”

——TO——

Once the cycle is concluded you should be in the best shape of your life and looking absolutely amazing with paper thin skin, pronounced vascularity, and very chiseled features. By having the discipline and mental toughness to get yourself into such lean condition, you have set yourself up for a very productive Post Cycle Therapy and mass gaining phase simultaneously. You will need to plan your off cycle and bulking phase to perfection to yield the desired results. I would recommend Human Chorionic Gonatropin to have been sporadically implemented into the cutting cycle to keep luteinizing hormone and follicle stimulating hormone still functioning at some capacity. Proper SERM selection would be ideal for PCT alongside natural hormonal boosters such as, trans-resveratrol, d-aspartic-acid and quality Bulgarian tribulus.

HCG + Sustain Alpha + TCF-1 + Tribestan = Superior Hormonal Recovery.

+ + +

In the initial stages of your post cycle phase you want to really take advantage of your rebound, and voracious appetite, and ingest copious amounts of quality foods. Months of dieting dramatically increases your insulin sensitivity, which makes processing glucose from carbohydrates very efficient, driving nutrients into muscle cells opposed to adipose tissue.  You should prioritize nutritious carbohydrate sources from whole oats, yams, Ezekiel bread, various beans and berries. Fats should be from whole eggs, red meat, and essential fatty acids. Protein should be in ample supply from all sources. The first 2 weeks of this off-cycle and bulking phase will be incredible as you will soak up nutrients like a sponge and muscle cells will be engorged with glycogen, minerals, and amino acids. Strength will be creeping up from the extra weight gain and water retention, while fat accumulation hasn’t started to  manifest itself yet.

Ideal protein sources:                      Ideal carb sources:                    Ideal fat sources:
-Bonesless,skinless chicken breast       -Whole oats                                 -Egg yolks
-Lean and fatty fresh fish                      -Yams                                           -Olive oil
-Cottage cheese                                   -Flourless Breads                         -Fish oil
-Lean cuts of red meat                         -Black beans                                 -Raw nuts
-Whole eggs                                         -Berries                                         -Fat from meat

Keep in mind, what goes up, must come down. Meaning, you cannot keep forcing high calories like the first 3-4 weeks or else you are asking for excessive body fat accumulation. After week 4, you must put on the brakes and begin cycling your carbohydrates and calories accordingly to make sure you stay in acceptable condition for your bulking phase. This cycling practice is very common amongst competitive Bodybuilders who choose to stay natural in the off-season and only use hormonal assistance when preparing for a competition.  This method will allow you to get into amazing condition while on cycle and essentially grow off cycle. You also increase your post cycle recovery by introducing an influx of calories, which will boost insulin and testosterone from the carbohydrate and dietary fat intake.  You also get to give your endocrine system a nice break and clean out, so you can be receptive for your next bout of cycling. By now you should realize how detrimental it is to not diet or “cut up” once you conclude your steroid cycle, and that doing the exact opposite will be your best plan of action in achieving the optimal results for the goal at hand.

References:
1.) Demling RH, Orgill DP. The anticatabolic and wound healing effects of the testosterone analog oxandrolone after severe burn injury.  J Crit Care. 2000 Mar;15(1):12-7.

2.) D’Aniello A, Di Cosmo A, Di Cristo C, Annunziato L, Petrucelli L, Fisher GH:
Involvement of D-aspartic acid in the synthesis of testosterone in rat testes. Life Sci. 1996, 59:97-104.

3.) D’Aniello A, Di Fiore MM, D’Aniello G, Colin FE, Lewis G, Setchell BP: Secretion of
D-aspartic acid by the rat testis and its role in endocrinology of the testis and
spermatogenesis. FEBS Letters 1998, 436:23-27.

4.) Meikle AAW, Stringham JJD, Woodward MMG, McMurry MMP. Effects of a fat-containing meal on sex hormones in men. Metabolism, clinical and experimental 1990;39:943-6.

5.) Ferrando AA, Chinkes DL, Wolf SE, Matin S, Herndon DN, Wolfe RR. 1999 A submaximal dose of insulin promotes net skeletal muscle protein synthesis in patients with severe burns. Ann Surg. 229(1):11–18.

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Cynostane

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one
2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androst-3-one (incorrect name)
Chemical Formula: C21H31NO2
Molecular Weight: 329
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
40-50mg/day standalone
20-30mg/day when stacking
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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Libido

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Acne

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Lethargy

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Characteristics

2-cyano-dromostolone is a 17aa molecule relatively new to the scene with very few reviews as of yet.

It has a cyano group attached to the 2 position. The chemical structure is the same as methyldrostanolone (Superdrol), except it has a CN group on the 2 position instead of a methyl group. It is a C-17aa steroid and it will be liver toxic. Although, due to the lack of the 4-ene on ring A and lack of 2-methylation, liver toxicity may be reduced relative to a di-methylated steroid such as Superdrol.

So far, feedback is very limited for this compound. However results would be expected to be fairly lean as this compound cannot convert to estrogen. Based on the chemical structure the anabolic potency would appear to be fairly potent with moderate androgenic potency.

At the time of this writing there was only one manufacturer to bring this product to the market and there seems to have been a nomenclature mistake on the labeling for this steroid. The chemical name contains the term “androst”, assuming that there is some sort of ene group on ring A. But there does not seem to be such mention of an ene group on ring A. Therefore, the term androst should be androstan. But if this is the case, the 2-cyano group needs to be stated as alpha or beta. This makes a big difference, since usually C2-alpha groups are significantly more effective than beta.

There are studies about other 2-cyano steroids such as 2-cyano-DHT and 2-cyano-progesterone. In separate studies, one done on dogs, it was seen that both of these 2-cyano steroids caused inhibition of 3b-HSD enzyme. This inhibition would cause severe adrenal suppression. This is a very unsafe inhibition. Whether it occurs in this cyano steroid is unknown, but users need to be aware of this possibility.

Common Clones:

Cynostane by Anabolic Innovation


Related Discussion

The Official Cynostane Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Methylstenbolone

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):
2,17a-Dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one
Chemical Formula: C21H32O2
Molecular Weight: 316.5
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 3.9
Anabolic #: 660
Androgenic #: 170
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 50%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
5-20mg/day standalone
1-5mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 2-4 weeks

 

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0
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Libido

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0
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Acne

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0
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Hair Loss

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0
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0
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0
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Lethargy

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-4
-3
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0
1
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5

 

Characteristics

Although this compound cannot convert to estrogen, it will bind strongly to SHBG, thus increasing freely circulating estrogen (and testosterone). While there is a lack of anecdotal feedback from this compound to tell the real world effect this compound may have on causing gyno, experience with related compounds tell us gyno symptoms may occur.

Users should be very careful with methylstenbolone and start out with a very low dose. This compound will likely produce a rapid increase in intracellular water retention by inhibiting 11-beta hydroxylase and building up levels of mineralcorticoids that will encourage sodium and water retention.

Gains upwards of 20-25lbs in 4 weeks are probably possible with this compound. However the liver toxicity issues would likely be the first reason why someone wouldn’t be able to make incredible gains from this compound. For this reason it would be extremely important to pre-condition the liver with a liver protecting supplement prior to cycling this compound, while continuing use throughout the cycle and during PCT.

The strength increases from this compound will likely encourage weight lifting heavier than tendons and joints are prepared to lift. It is recommended to be cautious of this and to naturally build up strength levels prior to cycling this steroid.

Using a low dose of methylstenbolone with a moderate dose of a non-methylated compound would be an acceptable way to try to limit the side-effects from this compound, although caution would still need to be taken for liver health no matter what dose is used.

Because of the strength and weight gain this compound would offer it would likely be best used as part of a bulking cycle.

Availability: 

UltraDrol by Antaeus Labs

Related Discussion

The Official Methylstenbolone Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

1,4,6 Androstatriene-dione (ATD)

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

Androsta-1,4,6-triene-3,17-dione
1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione
Chemical Formula: C19H22O2
Molecular Weight: 282
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 4%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: 2 days
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose: 25-100mg/day
Average Cycle Length: 4-8 weeks
Stimulator
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0
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0
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0
1
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Libido

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0
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Acne

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0
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Hair Loss

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Characteristics

ATD is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor, known as a suicidal inhibitor because it permanently binds to the aromatase enzyme.

ATD is used for its aromatase inhibiting and testosterone boosting effect. Its effectiveness at lowering estrogen appears to be stronger than 6-oxo. It converts to 1,4,6-testosterone, which would also be expected to cause falsely high readings for a testosterone analysis.

The 1,4,6-testosterone metabolite of ATD can also bind to the androgen receptor (AR) and induce androgenic (or possibly anti-androgenic) effects similar to what is seen from 6-oxo. This would be expected since 1,4,6-testosterone has about one third the binding affinity for the AR, therefore it may interefere with the anabolic or androgenic action of hormones which bind the androgen receptor.

ATD would also be expected to interfere with production of natural testosterone by acting upon the hypothalamus pituitary testicular axis (HPTA), therefore this compound should not be used during post cycle therapy (PCT), however it could successfully be used during a cycle to help keep estrogen in control. Anecdotal reports and animal studies have also shown ATD inhibits libido and general sexual potency.

Common Clones:

Arom-X by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)
AIFM by Anafit
ATD MAX by Anabolic Formulations
ATD-JET by Molecular Developments
Reversitol by IForce


Related Discussion

The Official 1,4,6 Androstatriene-dione (ATD) Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Effect of an inhibitor of aromatization, 1,4,6 androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD) on LH release and steroid binding in hypothalamus of adult female rats.

Exp Brain Res. 1986;64(3):407-10.
Slama A, Gogan F, Sarrieau A, Vial M, Rostene W, Kordon C.

Effects of ATD on male sexual behavior and androgen receptor binding: a reexamination of the aromatization hypothesis.
ME Kaplan and MY McGinnis
Horm Behav, Mar 1989; 23(1): 10-26.

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Halodrol

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
Chemical Formula: C20H29C1O2
Molecular Weight: 337
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 2.6
Anabolic #: 74
Androgenic #: 28
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: ~16 hours
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
100-150mg/day standalone
50-100mg/day when stacking
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
Stimulator
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Aggression

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0
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Libido

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0
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Acne

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5

Hair Loss

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Characteristics

Halodrol is a 17aa steroid that converts to the steroid oral Turinabol after interaction with 3b-HSD at an estimated rate of about 5%.

Because of this low conversion, doses must be higher than other 17aa pro-steroids. However, it is suspected that Halodrol has decent potency without conversion as good results are seen despite the relatively low conversion to Turinabol. Based on Vida’s data Halodrol appears to be about as potent as testosterone, and significantly less androgenic.

Because of the 4-chloro group, halodrol has no progestational effects, it cannot interact with the aromatase enzyme, and it produces inactive 4-chloro-DHT metabolites. This makes androgenic side-effects such as hair loss, high blood pressure, acne and prostate enlargement less likely. Anecdotal reports would also have us believe that side-effects with this compound are fairly mild.

Although caution would still need to be had, the low androgenic value of this compound would also make it one of the more appropriate anabolic steroids for women wishing increase lean mass yet avoid a deeper voice, increased hair growth, acne and clitoral growth. (Oral Turinabol was actually the preferred steroid for Olympic female athletes in East Germany)

The lack of androgenic potency might be expected to create problems with gyno, however the low SHBG binding affinity has minimal interference with SHBG levels and/or freely circuiting estrogen and testosterone. It does not appear that halodrol has a significant gyno risk.

Because halodrol must be used at such a high dose to see noticeable effects, liver toxicity may become an issue. Therefore it is recommended to use a liver protecting supplement before and during halodrol cycles.

Gains from Halodrol generally take a few weeks to notice, but users can expect solid increases in strength, lean muscle mass, improved vascularity and minimal water retention. This allows some of the gains to be kept after the cycle if good diet and training are continued. Quick dramatic gains in size and strength are not generally noticed with Halodrol.

It is used successfully as a standalone, but would be expected to stack well with most other steroids, except 17aa oral due to liver toxicity concerns.

Common Clones:

Halo-MASS by Anabolic Formulations
HD-1 by Performance Design
H-Drol by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
Halovar by Purus Labs
Hemadrol by Engineered Sports Technology (EST)
Halodrol-50 by Gaspari Nutrition
Oral Turinadrol by Juggernaut Nutrition
Super Halo by Black China Labs
H-Drol by Nutracoastal
Helladrol by Mrsupps


Related Discussion

The Official Halodrol Thread
Posted by Eric

References

“Hepatotoxicity Associated With Dietary Supplements Containing Anabolic Steroids”

Michel I. Kafrouni, Robert A. Anders and Sumita Verma
Clinical Gastroenterology and Hepatology; Volume 5, Issue 7, July 2007, Pages 809-812

1-Androsterone

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

1-androsten-3b-ol-17-one
1-Dehydroepiandrosterone
Chemical Formula: C19H28O2
Molecular Weight: NA
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 8%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
200-300mg/day Transdermally
400-600mg/day standalone (oral)
200-400mg/day when stacking (oral)
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks

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Characteristics

1- Androsteronetm (1-DHEA) is a non-methylated (non 17aa) pro-steroid that must convert to 1-androstenediol (1-AD), 1-androstenedione (original 1-AD) and/or 1-testosterone to be active. The double bond in the 1st position seems to slightly enhance its ability to resist excretion by the liver.

1-Androsterone occurs naturally in the body, and is a naturally occurring metabolite of DHEA. (2) The 17b-HSD enzyme converts 1-Androsterone to 1-Androstenediol, and the 3b-HSD converts it to 1-Androstenedione. Both of these 1-AD metabolites can then be converted to 1-Testosterone. Although the 1-AD metabolites are known to have some anabolic and androgenic effects on their own, 1-Testosterone is probably where most of the effects come from with this steroid.

There is no conversion to estrogen so users will not experience bloat with this compound, nor will it have a dramatic effect on blood pressure. However one unique side effect that users have reported with this compound is a feeling of lethargy. (It appears that stacking 1-Androsterone with a nuero-active hormone such as DHEA can help reverse this effect)

1-Androsterone (and primarily its metabolites) have relatively potent androgenic effects, therefore gyno is almost never an issue. However, because of the androgenic potency, this compound could pose a mild hair loss risk for those prone to MPB. Because this steroid is non-17aa there should be less concern about it negatively affecting the HDL/LDL ratio.

Results from this compound generally take a couple weeks to be realized. Moderate gains of lean muscle mass and strength can be expected, but users should not expect rapid increases in size or weight with this compound since extra-cellular and intra-cellular water retention are very minimal. This makes the gains from this steroid fairly easy to maintain post cycle.

1-Androsterone will stack well with almost any compound. For more dramatic gains in size and strength it is recommended to stack this compound with an aromatizing steroid or possibly one of the progestational compounds listed elsewhere.

Common Clones:

1-T by Primordial Performance
1-Androsterone by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)

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References

1. 17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (1-testosterone) is a potent androgen with anabolic properties.

A Friedel, et al.
Toxicol Lett, Aug 2006; 165(2): 149-55.

2. “Metabolism of 1-Dehydroandrostanes in Man”
Galletti and Gardi, et al.
J Steroid Biochem, 3 (1972), 933-936

4-DHEA

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

1-androsten-3b-ol-17-one
4-Dehydroepiandrosterone
Chemical Formula: C19H28O2
Molecular Weight: 288
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 4%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
500-1000mg/day standalone
200-500mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
Stimulator
Inhibitor

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Strength Gain

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Fat Gain (negative indicates fat loss)

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Water Retention (extra-cellular bloat)

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Aggression

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Libido

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Acne

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Hair Loss

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Prostate Enlargement

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Liver Toxicity

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Lethargy

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Characteristics

4-DHEA is a naturally occurring non-methylated (non-17aa) pro-steroid.

4-DHEA, like DHEA, requires a 2 step conversion process involving 3b-HSD and 17b-HSD to convert it to Androstenedione/androstenediol, and then testosterone. What makes 4-DHEA slightly different from DHEA is a double bond in the 4th position rather than the 5th. This makes 4-DHEA less estrogenic by not acting directly upon the estrogen receptor like DHEA has been found to do.

Although 4-DHEA can aromatize to estrogen it is probably not enough to cause high estrogen related side-effects.

Overall results will be similar to or the original 4-AD banned back in 2004. Higher doses of this compound will produce fairly lean gains in muscle mass, with moderate improvements in strength. This product may produce some bloat from the estrogen conversion, which could be countered by administering an aromatase inhibitor, but this will largely defeat the purpose of using this compound to begin with.

Since this compound is naturally occurring and non-methylated overall side-effects will be fairly mild. However, high doses may also lead to oily skin, acne and increased blood pressure. Because this steroid is non-17aa there should be less concern about it negatively affecting the HDL/LDL ratio.

Because this compound can convert to testosterone it can also convert to DHT and other 5a-reduced metabolites. This can serve as a good stack with progestational or relatively non-androgenic compounds that may create problems with libido or gyno because of lacking androgenic potency.

Although this compound is relatively safe and moderately effective, its high cost has probably been the reason for its lack of popularity.

Common Clones:

4-AD UTT by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)


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References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

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