Cynostane

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one
2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androst-3-one (incorrect name)
Chemical Formula: C21H31NO2
Molecular Weight: 329
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
40-50mg/day standalone
20-30mg/day when stacking
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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Characteristics

2-cyano-dromostolone is a 17aa molecule relatively new to the scene with very few reviews as of yet.

It has a cyano group attached to the 2 position. The chemical structure is the same as methyldrostanolone (Superdrol), except it has a CN group on the 2 position instead of a methyl group. It is a C-17aa steroid and it will be liver toxic. Although, due to the lack of the 4-ene on ring A and lack of 2-methylation, liver toxicity may be reduced relative to a di-methylated steroid such as Superdrol.

So far, feedback is very limited for this compound. However results would be expected to be fairly lean as this compound cannot convert to estrogen. Based on the chemical structure the anabolic potency would appear to be fairly potent with moderate androgenic potency.

At the time of this writing there was only one manufacturer to bring this product to the market and there seems to have been a nomenclature mistake on the labeling for this steroid. The chemical name contains the term “androst”, assuming that there is some sort of ene group on ring A. But there does not seem to be such mention of an ene group on ring A. Therefore, the term androst should be androstan. But if this is the case, the 2-cyano group needs to be stated as alpha or beta. This makes a big difference, since usually C2-alpha groups are significantly more effective than beta.

There are studies about other 2-cyano steroids such as 2-cyano-DHT and 2-cyano-progesterone. In separate studies, one done on dogs, it was seen that both of these 2-cyano steroids caused inhibition of 3b-HSD enzyme. This inhibition would cause severe adrenal suppression. This is a very unsafe inhibition. Whether it occurs in this cyano steroid is unknown, but users need to be aware of this possibility.

Common Clones:

Cynostane by Anabolic Innovation


Related Discussion

The Official Cynostane Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

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Methoxygonadiene

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
13b-ethyl-3-methoxy-2,5 (10)-gona-diene-17-one
Chemical Formula: C20H28O2
Molecular Weight: 300
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 20%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
50-75mg/day standalone
25-50mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4 weeks
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Characteristics

Methoxygonadiene is not a 17aa steroid so liver toxicity is not as harsh as with 17aa steorids, however the ethyl group on C-18 may make it slightly more toxic than a non-ethylated steroid (while increasing its oral bio-availability). The progestational activity of methoxygonadiene (once it is converted to its active metabolites) is considered to be slightly stronger than nandrolone.

In the stomach acid, the C-3 methoxy group is rapidly cleaved off and the double bond on the A ring at C-2 is lost. At this point, a 3-oxo is formed and a metabolite known as 13b-ethyl-nor-androstenedione is created, which is chemically similar to norbolethone, and probably where this compound gets most of its effects.

13b-ethyl-nor-androstenedione is about equal to testosterone in anabolic potency, yet less androgenic. This would make this compound fairly light on the hairline with minimal chance of acne or other androgenic side-effects.

With low androgenic activity, this compound may negatively affect the libido and erectile function. The lack of androgenic potency and progestational effects make this compound likely to cause gyno symptoms. Users could stack this compound with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to preserve DHT levels and possibly prevent these side-effects.

Users experience rapid weight gain from this compound partly due to subcutaneous water retention from the progestational activity. Therefore the overall gains from this compound may lead to a bloated appearance. Because of the progestational effects, users should avoid stacking this compound with other gyno aggravating compounds. Methoxygonadiene can aromatize to estrogen in small amounts, however not to any significant degree, therefore an aromatase inhibitor would provide little protection against this compounds side-effects.

Common Clones:

Revolt by KiloSports
M-LMG by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
X-MASS by Generic Labs
Deiselbolan by Mrsupps


Related Discussion

The Official Methoxygonadiene Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Methyl 1,4-AD

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-diol
17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
1,4-Methylandrostenedione
Chemical Formula: C20H30O2
Molecular Weight: 302
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
100-150mg/day standalone

50-100mg/day with stacking

Average Cycle Length: 4 weeks
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Characteristics

Methyl-1,4AD is a 17aa pro-steroid that converts to the illegal anabolic steroid methandrostenolone (Dianabol) at a rate of about 15-20%. It takes one conversion with 3b-HSD to convert methyl-1,4AD to Dianabol which probably happens fairly rapidly in the liver.

Since the average dose of Dianabol is generally 25-50mg/day with most steroid users, it is recommended to use this compound at 2-3x the dose for noticeable effects. While Methyl-1,4AD may have some activity on its own, it would be considered pretty weak until it makes the conversion to Dianabol.

Although this compound does not appear to have any progestational effects, it can convert to estrogen (methylestradiol) at a fairly decent rate. If users are very sensitive to estrogenic side-effects then an aromatase inhibitor may be taken along with this compound. However, if one is using an anti-estrogen with this steroid it begs the question, “why chose this steroid to begin with?” Most of the weight and size gains from this compound come from its estrogen conversion, therefore using an AI would noticeably limit the gains from this compound.

This compound has moderate androgenic effects, therefore users who are sensitive to hair loss should be careful with higher doses. The combined estrogenic and androgenic effects of this compound may lead to excessive prostate swelling, so frequent visits to the bathroom may become a problem. (although all steroids have this effect to degree)

Since this compound readily converts to estrogen it will likely have a lubercative effect on joints, contrary to many modern designer steroids that do not convert to estrogen and tend to cause joint pains. This would make this compound a good choice for bulking cycles where joint comfort is important for heavy weight lifting.

Because higher doses are needed with this compound, more stress is placed on the liver. As with any 17aa oral it is recommended to pre-condition the liver with a liver supporting supplement.

Users who use this at higher doses will experience similar gains to Dianabol including rapid increases in strength and size. Side-effects may include rapid weight gain, increase in blood pressure, bloating, back pumps and acne.

This compound could be used as a standalone for a bulking cycle, however users should be aware that much of the bloat and size gains from Methyl-1,4AD will be quickly lost after a cycle.

Common Clones:

M 1,4 ADD by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
M14-E by Purus Labs
M1, 4AD by Anabolic Formulation


Related Discussion

The Official Methyl 1,4-AD Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

norDHEA

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

5-estren-3b-ol-17-one
Nordehydroepiandrosterone
Chemical Formula: C18H26O2
Molecular Weight: 274
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 4%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
300-600mg/day standalone
200-300mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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Characteristics

norDHEA is a non-methylated (non-17aa) pro-steroid. (naturally occurring in trace amounts in humans)

norDHEA can convert to the illegal anabolic steroid nandrolone by converting to norandrostenediol/norandrostenedione, and then to nandrolone. Nandrolone is known to have stronger anabolic effects than testosterone, yet weaker androgenic effects.

norDHEA will aromatize to estrogen less than regular DHEA, but because it is a nor compound it lacks strong androgenic metabolites. For instance, after nandrolone interacts with 5a-reductase, the metabolite dihydronandrolone (DHN) is formed, which is a weaker nor-version of DHT.

Ironically, the lack of estrogen conversion from norDHEA is probably balanced by the lack of androgenic potency and progestational effects, which makes the possibility of bloating and experiencing gyno about as likely as with regular DHEA.

One difference between norDHEA and DHEA that should be considered is the fact that norDHEA will have less androgenic effects, which may pose less risk of androgenic related hair loss and/or acne. This may be a smart choice for some men, and a decent choice for women looking for a moderately anabolic compound without much androgenic effect. (to avoid masculinizing side-effects)

Because of the low bio-availability, high doses must be used to notice gains in lean muscle mass and strength. Even with higher doses, the gains will be mild to moderate. Some bloat should be expected from the estrogenic and progestational effects of the nor-steroids. Because this steroid is non-17aa there should be less concern about it negatively affecting the HDL/LDL ratio.

Like the other DHEA derivatives, norDHEA would be useful in a transdermal application since the enzymes needed for the conversions to more powerful metabolites are concentrated in the skin and absorption through the skin using a good transdermal delivery cream could allow for 5-10x higher absorption than oral.

This compound would stack well with almost any other steroid, except those with progestational activity.

Common Clones:

Decavol by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)


Related Discussion

The Official norDHEA Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Promestanolone

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):
17a-methyl etioallocholan 17b-ol 3-hydroxyimine
Chemical Formula: C20H33NO2
Molecular Weight: 319.5
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 2.4
Anabolic #: 380/24
Androgenic #: 158/20
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: High
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
75-100mg/day standalone
50-75mg/day when stacking
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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Characteristics

Promestanolone is a 17aa pro-steroid which converts to the illegal anabolic steroid methyl-DHT (mestanolone).

There is no human clinical data on promestanolone, but it is most likely exerting its effects by converting to methyl-DHT. The acidic environment in the stomach would be responsible for converting the 3-hydroxyimine group to a 3-one — thus rapidly changing it to methyl DHT. Therefore results and side-effects would be considered to be very similar to methyl-DHT.

Although DHT can be deactivated in skeletal muscle tissue by 3b-HSD it is likely that this enzyme pathway can be overwhelmed if this compound is taken at a high enough dose. Methyl-DHT has some activity on the progestin receptor, but not to a high degree. It has moderate anabolic but high androgenic effects. It binds strongly to SHBG, therefore free testosterone and estrogen can be expected to rise by displacement from SHBG.

Since this is a 17aa compound, liver toxicity will be an issue with high doses or long term use. For this reason users should consider priming the liver with a liver supporting supplement before and during a Promestanolone cycle. Users will also experience minimal subcutaneous water retention since there is no conversion to estrogen. However, intracellular water and sodium retention will increase by inhibition of 11-beta hydroxylase and mineralocorticoid build up.

Users may also experience an increase in aggression and mood swings which is a common side effect of many steroids with high androgenic value. This makes this compound an excellent pre-lifting or pre-competition steroid.

Promestanolone should produce solid lean gains in muscle as a standalone. However for those looking to add additional bulk to their cycle, promestanolone would stack with with virtually any other non-17aa oral.

Common Clones:

D-Plex by Competetive Edge Labs (CEL)
The ONE by Applied Nutraceuticals


Related Discussion

The Official Promestanolone Thread
Posted by Eric

References

“Effect of 1-alkyl substitution on the biological action in a series of androstanes.”

Cekan Z, Pelc B.
Steroids. 1966 Aug;8(2):209-18.

“Relative binding affinity of anabolic-androgenic steroids: comparison of the binding to the androgen receptors in skeletal muscle and in prostate, as well as to sex hormone-binding globulin.”
Saartok T, Dahlberg E, Gustafsson JA.
Endocrinology. 1984 Jun;114(6):2100-6.

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