Are you Ready for the Andro Series?

The release of the Andro Series Project is right around the corner and is going to be a steroidal breakthrough in the supplement industry. Each compound is a Metabolic Steroid and will elicit a host of effects such as; improved metabolic rate for losing body fat, increased anabolism for accruing lean muscle mass, heightened sexual prowess for intimacy, and improved self-confidence. What there won’t be are numerous hazardous side effects that are commonly seen with the current line of designer steroids and illegal anabolic steroids. The Andro Series has been meticulously formulated to avoid excessive stress on the liver, kidneys and heart. However, please don’t mistake a lack of side effects for a lack of results. Delivery is everything when it comes to a product being active and effective, and we have established the best in oral delivery and bio-availability.

Stack AndroMASS with AndroHARD for extreme muscular weight gain

I would like to prepare you for how to optimize and maximize your experience when incorporating the Andro Series products into your nutrition and training regimen. I would advise anyone who has experienced a training layoff due to injury, illness or laziness to first get back into the swing of things before utilizing hormonal supplementation. You will be growing regardless so it would give Andro Series a false sense of effectiveness. Once you have hit a training and nutrition plateau then it is time to implement a steroid cycle. Depending on your goals, whether it is ultimate muscle gain or extreme fat-loss you must choose the proper products to accommodate your target goal. For extreme muscular weight gain, stacking Andro Mass with Andro Hard would provide an ideal hormonal environment. The Andro Mass would be the “meat and potatoes” of the stack, yielding high conversions to Testosterone and DihydroBoldenone. Testosterone needs no description as it is the most widely used steroid available. It is known to enhance muscle mass, increase fat-loss, and raise sex drive. DihydroBoldenone is a 5-aplha-reduced form of the steroid boldenone. It elicits mild androgenic traits and is a potent anabolic. It has been reported to bind aggressively to the androgen receptor eliciting minimal androgenic side effects and substantial transcriptional gene activity that induces extreme muscle growth. The Andro Hard will convert into DHT at a high rate, so androgenic effects will be achieved. Andro Hard displays powerful characteristics such as: an increase in strength, sex drive, and mental focus for rigorous training sessions.

AndroMASS will induce –

  • High anabolic activity
  • No toxic side effects
  • Increased muscle hardness
  • Muscular weight gain
  • Superior delivery of hormones

AndroHARD will induce –

  • Profound vascularity
  • Gyno protection
  • Magnified sex drive
  • Increased aggression
  • Superior delivery of hormones

What is the optimal nutrition plan for this mass gaining cycle?

Now that you know how these 2 products can help you in your plight for extreme mass gaining, it is on you to implement proper training and nutrition to potentiate the effects of the steroid cycle. I will not expand too much on the nutritional aspect of utilizing this stack for muscular weight gain, but I will briefly touch base on a few key dieting recommendations. Make sure to structure your meals and plan ahead so you can stay consistent with no excuses. Create a nutrition plan that coincides with your body type. Meaning, if you are an ectomorph, you can get by with a higher influx of carbohydrates (400-600 grams) and dietary fat than an endomorphic body type. The mesomorph and endomorph would benefit greatly from a modest allotment of quality carbohydrates (150-300 grams) and using essential fatty acids for their fat sources. All body types would need to adjust their protein intake depending on body weight and their carbohydrate and dietary fat requirements. A good rule of thumb for mass gaining is to ingest 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight. You may ask, “Why only 1.5 grams?” That is because you have adequate fat and carbohydrates to spare the protein.

Which body type are you?


Next, we will go over the goal of extreme fat-loss. Andro Hard stacked with Andro Lean would be the weapons of choice to accomplish such a goal. The Andro Lean is equipped with Super-7-Dhea, which will increase fat loss 3 times more than diet and exercise alone. Super-7-Dhea will increase fat oxidation through the mitochondria from increased thyroid output from elevated T3 levels. However, thyroid stimulating hormone and T4 levels will remain unchanged, so thyroid suppression is not an issue. Super-5-Dhea is also included to keep testosterone levels elevated for muscle preservation and increased sex drive when going on a reduced calorie diet. The ectomorph body type once again can have more liberty with their carbohydrate allotment (200-300 grams) while cutting, but keep dietary fat lower so calories are in a deficit. Cardio is usually something ectomorphs don’t have to worry about, but for general health, it is recommended 3-4 times a week for at least 20 minutes. The mesomorph would diet best on medium to low carbohydrates (100-200 grams) incorporated around training, while ingesting protein with essential fatty acids at other meals of the day. Cardio performed 5 times a week, starting at 20 minutes a day is recommended. The endomorphic body type usually responds well to very low carbohydrate intake (30-75 grams) while keeping essential fatty acids in the diet. Cardio will be a key factor in getting lean with endomorph’s, so I would recommend starting off with 30 minutes a day, 6-7 times a week. When starting a cutting phase, protein intake should get ramped up since carbohydrates and fats are reduced. I recommend 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight and adjust accordingly from there. As far as weight training is concerned, I like to see people whether dieting or bulking to base their workouts around basic free weight movements. Squats, (back and front) dead lifts, (all variations) Incline barbell and dumb bell bench presses, standing barbell curls, and bent over barbell rows should all be staples if you have no injuries inhibiting you from executing such crucial exercises.

AndroLEAN will induce –

  • Increased active thyroid output (T3)
  • Increased fatty acid uncoupling
  • Mild conversions to testosterone
  • Non stimulant thermogenesis
  • Superior delivery of hormones

It should be no surprise that having your Post Cycle Therapy planned ahead of time is always recommended. You should never start a steroid cycle without having all ancillary products and post cycle products in your possession from the beginning. There are some very effective products that stand out when choosing a proper PCT protocol. If you choose a pharmaceutical, Toremifene would be a good choice. D-aspartic-acid also has proven itself effective alongside a natural SERM-like supplement, such as Trans-Resveratrol. I would recommend running your Post Cycle Therapy for at least 4 weeks to ensure adequate recovery of natural hormones.

Toremifene molecular structure shown above:

In closing, please understand that you need to plan your steroid cycles carefully and never go into it and “wing it.” Plot out your nutrition protocol, training regimen, and PCT accordingly. Keep in mind you are suppressing your endogenous production of natural hormones so make the absolute most of your next cycle.

References:

1.)Friedel A, Geyer H, Kamber M, Laudenbach-Leschowsky U, Schanzer W, Thevis M, Voller G, Zierau O, Diel P. 17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one(1-testosterone) is a potent androgen with anabolic properties, Toxicol Lett. 2006 Aug 20;165(2):129-55.
 

2.)Lam P. Ly, Mark Jimenez, Tian N. Zhuang, David S. Celermajer, Ann J. Conway, and David J. Handelsman,A Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Randomized Clinical Trial of Transdermal Dihydrotestosterone Gel on Muscular Strength, Mobility, and Quality of Life in Older Men with Partial Androgen Deficiency. J. Clin. Endocrinol. Metab., Sep 2001; 86: 4078 – 4088.

3.) Christos S Mantzoros, Emmanuel I Georgiadis, head, Endocrine Unita, Dimitrios Trichopoulos, professor and chiefb, Contribution of dihydrotestosterone to male sexual behavior. BMJ 1995; 310 : 1289 (Published 20 May 1995)

4.)Bobyleva V, Bellei M, Lardy H. The effects of the ergosteroid 7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone on mitochondrial membrane potential: Possible relationship to thermogenesis. Arch Biochem Biophys 1997;341:122-128.

5.)Bosy TZ, Moore KA, Poklis A. The effect of oral dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) on theurine testosterone/epitestosterone (T/E) ratio in human male volunteers. J Anal Toxicol 1998;22:455-459.


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Methylstenbolone

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):
2,17a-Dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one
Chemical Formula: C21H32O2
Molecular Weight: 316.5
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 3.9
Anabolic #: 660
Androgenic #: 170
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 50%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
5-20mg/day standalone
1-5mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 2-4 weeks

 

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Although this compound cannot convert to estrogen, it will bind strongly to SHBG, thus increasing freely circulating estrogen (and testosterone). While there is a lack of anecdotal feedback from this compound to tell the real world effect this compound may have on causing gyno, experience with related compounds tell us gyno symptoms may occur.

Users should be very careful with methylstenbolone and start out with a very low dose. This compound will likely produce a rapid increase in intracellular water retention by inhibiting 11-beta hydroxylase and building up levels of mineralcorticoids that will encourage sodium and water retention.

Gains upwards of 20-25lbs in 4 weeks are probably possible with this compound. However the liver toxicity issues would likely be the first reason why someone wouldn’t be able to make incredible gains from this compound. For this reason it would be extremely important to pre-condition the liver with a liver protecting supplement prior to cycling this compound, while continuing use throughout the cycle and during PCT.

The strength increases from this compound will likely encourage weight lifting heavier than tendons and joints are prepared to lift. It is recommended to be cautious of this and to naturally build up strength levels prior to cycling this steroid.

Using a low dose of methylstenbolone with a moderate dose of a non-methylated compound would be an acceptable way to try to limit the side-effects from this compound, although caution would still need to be taken for liver health no matter what dose is used.

Because of the strength and weight gain this compound would offer it would likely be best used as part of a bulking cycle.

Availability: 

UltraDrol by Antaeus Labs

Related Discussion

The Official Methylstenbolone Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

1,4,6 Androstatriene-dione (ATD)

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

Androsta-1,4,6-triene-3,17-dione
1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione
Chemical Formula: C19H22O2
Molecular Weight: 282
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 4%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: 2 days
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose: 25-100mg/day
Average Cycle Length: 4-8 weeks
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ATD is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor, known as a suicidal inhibitor because it permanently binds to the aromatase enzyme.

ATD is used for its aromatase inhibiting and testosterone boosting effect. Its effectiveness at lowering estrogen appears to be stronger than 6-oxo. It converts to 1,4,6-testosterone, which would also be expected to cause falsely high readings for a testosterone analysis.

The 1,4,6-testosterone metabolite of ATD can also bind to the androgen receptor (AR) and induce androgenic (or possibly anti-androgenic) effects similar to what is seen from 6-oxo. This would be expected since 1,4,6-testosterone has about one third the binding affinity for the AR, therefore it may interefere with the anabolic or androgenic action of hormones which bind the androgen receptor.

ATD would also be expected to interfere with production of natural testosterone by acting upon the hypothalamus pituitary testicular axis (HPTA), therefore this compound should not be used during post cycle therapy (PCT), however it could successfully be used during a cycle to help keep estrogen in control. Anecdotal reports and animal studies have also shown ATD inhibits libido and general sexual potency.

Common Clones:

Arom-X by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)
AIFM by Anafit
ATD MAX by Anabolic Formulations
ATD-JET by Molecular Developments
Reversitol by IForce


Related Discussion

The Official 1,4,6 Androstatriene-dione (ATD) Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Effect of an inhibitor of aromatization, 1,4,6 androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD) on LH release and steroid binding in hypothalamus of adult female rats.

Exp Brain Res. 1986;64(3):407-10.
Slama A, Gogan F, Sarrieau A, Vial M, Rostene W, Kordon C.

Effects of ATD on male sexual behavior and androgen receptor binding: a reexamination of the aromatization hypothesis.
ME Kaplan and MY McGinnis
Horm Behav, Mar 1989; 23(1): 10-26.

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Cynostane

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one
2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androst-3-one (incorrect name)
Chemical Formula: C21H31NO2
Molecular Weight: 329
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
40-50mg/day standalone
20-30mg/day when stacking
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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2-cyano-dromostolone is a 17aa molecule relatively new to the scene with very few reviews as of yet.

It has a cyano group attached to the 2 position. The chemical structure is the same as methyldrostanolone (Superdrol), except it has a CN group on the 2 position instead of a methyl group. It is a C-17aa steroid and it will be liver toxic. Although, due to the lack of the 4-ene on ring A and lack of 2-methylation, liver toxicity may be reduced relative to a di-methylated steroid such as Superdrol.

So far, feedback is very limited for this compound. However results would be expected to be fairly lean as this compound cannot convert to estrogen. Based on the chemical structure the anabolic potency would appear to be fairly potent with moderate androgenic potency.

At the time of this writing there was only one manufacturer to bring this product to the market and there seems to have been a nomenclature mistake on the labeling for this steroid. The chemical name contains the term “androst”, assuming that there is some sort of ene group on ring A. But there does not seem to be such mention of an ene group on ring A. Therefore, the term androst should be androstan. But if this is the case, the 2-cyano group needs to be stated as alpha or beta. This makes a big difference, since usually C2-alpha groups are significantly more effective than beta.

There are studies about other 2-cyano steroids such as 2-cyano-DHT and 2-cyano-progesterone. In separate studies, one done on dogs, it was seen that both of these 2-cyano steroids caused inhibition of 3b-HSD enzyme. This inhibition would cause severe adrenal suppression. This is a very unsafe inhibition. Whether it occurs in this cyano steroid is unknown, but users need to be aware of this possibility.

Common Clones:

Cynostane by Anabolic Innovation


Related Discussion

The Official Cynostane Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Desoxymethyltestosterone (Pheraplex, DMT, Madol)

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):
17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol
Chemical Formula: C20H32O
Molecular Weight: 288
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 6.5
Anabolic #: 1200
Androgenic #: 187
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: ~9 hours
Legal Status (US): Listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
40-60mg/day standalone
10-30mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4 weeks
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Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) is a 17aa steroid with equal toxicity as other 17aa oral steroids. While nearly all anabolic steroid molecules have a 3-keto group, Desoxymethyltestosterone lacks it, and has a 2-ene structure. This compound is readily active and does not require conversion.

DMT does not aromatize, nor does it appear to have any progestational activity, yet some users still experience gyno symptoms and bloat from this compound. This is likely related to the lack of androgenic potency from this compound (to antagonize the effect of estrogen). DMT may also contribute to gyno by displacing estrogen (and testosterone) from SHBG. It has also been proposed that DMT can inhibit 11b-hydroxylase and thus increase intracellular sodium and water retention by building up mineralcorticoid levels.

Depending on where you look, DMT has been reported to be 2-12 times more anabolic and 0.4-2 times as androgenic as methyltestosterone. It has been proposed that DMT is a naturally occurring substance because it has an almost identical structure to delta 2-androstenol, a naturally occurring pheromone in mammals. However, being a 17aa steroid hormone makes it synthetically altered and not naturally occurring. Either way, it is now a controlled substance in the United States.

Users should expect significant strength increases, weight gain, and bloat. Weight gains upwards of 20lbs in 4-6 weeks are not unheard of with this compound. The most obvious physical side effects will be strong muscular pumps, shortness of breath, high blood pressure, oily skin, and bloating. If users wanted to minimize toxic effect on the liver or other side effects, DMT could be used at doses as low as 10mg/day for a decent effect.

Being that this compound is methylated, it should not be stacked with other methylated compounds. Having moderately low androgenic activity, DMT may negatively affect the libido and erectile function. This side effect could be offset by stacking DMT with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to preserve DHT levels.

Common Clones:

P-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
Phera-Plex by Anabolic Xtreme
Nasty Mass by Purus Labs
Phera-VOL by Engineered Sports Technology (EST)
PheraFLEX by IForce
D-Stianozol by Nutracoastal
Pheradrol by PH Design
P-Max by Growth Labs
Phera-MAX by Generic Labs
Phera-BOL by Juggernaut Nutrition
Phera-Mass by Kilo Sports
Straight Phlexed by Black China Labs

Related Discussion

The Official Desoxymethyltestosterone (Pheraplex, DMT, Madol) Thread
Posted by Eric

References

“Characterisation of the pharmacological profile of desoxymethyltestosterone (Madol), a steroid misused for doping”

P. Diel, A. Friedel, H. Geyer, M. Kamber, U. Laudenbach-Leschowsky, W. Schänzer, M.
Thevis, G. Vollmer and O. Zierau
Toxicology Letters; Volume 169, Issue 1, 28 February 2007, Pages 64-71

Methoxygonadiene

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
13b-ethyl-3-methoxy-2,5 (10)-gona-diene-17-one
Chemical Formula: C20H28O2
Molecular Weight: 300
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 20%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
50-75mg/day standalone
25-50mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4 weeks
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Methoxygonadiene is not a 17aa steroid so liver toxicity is not as harsh as with 17aa steorids, however the ethyl group on C-18 may make it slightly more toxic than a non-ethylated steroid (while increasing its oral bio-availability). The progestational activity of methoxygonadiene (once it is converted to its active metabolites) is considered to be slightly stronger than nandrolone.

In the stomach acid, the C-3 methoxy group is rapidly cleaved off and the double bond on the A ring at C-2 is lost. At this point, a 3-oxo is formed and a metabolite known as 13b-ethyl-nor-androstenedione is created, which is chemically similar to norbolethone, and probably where this compound gets most of its effects.

13b-ethyl-nor-androstenedione is about equal to testosterone in anabolic potency, yet less androgenic. This would make this compound fairly light on the hairline with minimal chance of acne or other androgenic side-effects.

With low androgenic activity, this compound may negatively affect the libido and erectile function. The lack of androgenic potency and progestational effects make this compound likely to cause gyno symptoms. Users could stack this compound with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to preserve DHT levels and possibly prevent these side-effects.

Users experience rapid weight gain from this compound partly due to subcutaneous water retention from the progestational activity. Therefore the overall gains from this compound may lead to a bloated appearance. Because of the progestational effects, users should avoid stacking this compound with other gyno aggravating compounds. Methoxygonadiene can aromatize to estrogen in small amounts, however not to any significant degree, therefore an aromatase inhibitor would provide little protection against this compounds side-effects.

Common Clones:

Revolt by KiloSports
M-LMG by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
X-MASS by Generic Labs
Deiselbolan by Mrsupps


Related Discussion

The Official Methoxygonadiene Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

norDHEA

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

5-estren-3b-ol-17-one
Nordehydroepiandrosterone
Chemical Formula: C18H26O2
Molecular Weight: 274
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 4%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
300-600mg/day standalone
200-300mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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Characteristics

norDHEA is a non-methylated (non-17aa) pro-steroid. (naturally occurring in trace amounts in humans)

norDHEA can convert to the illegal anabolic steroid nandrolone by converting to norandrostenediol/norandrostenedione, and then to nandrolone. Nandrolone is known to have stronger anabolic effects than testosterone, yet weaker androgenic effects.

norDHEA will aromatize to estrogen less than regular DHEA, but because it is a nor compound it lacks strong androgenic metabolites. For instance, after nandrolone interacts with 5a-reductase, the metabolite dihydronandrolone (DHN) is formed, which is a weaker nor-version of DHT.

Ironically, the lack of estrogen conversion from norDHEA is probably balanced by the lack of androgenic potency and progestational effects, which makes the possibility of bloating and experiencing gyno about as likely as with regular DHEA.

One difference between norDHEA and DHEA that should be considered is the fact that norDHEA will have less androgenic effects, which may pose less risk of androgenic related hair loss and/or acne. This may be a smart choice for some men, and a decent choice for women looking for a moderately anabolic compound without much androgenic effect. (to avoid masculinizing side-effects)

Because of the low bio-availability, high doses must be used to notice gains in lean muscle mass and strength. Even with higher doses, the gains will be mild to moderate. Some bloat should be expected from the estrogenic and progestational effects of the nor-steroids. Because this steroid is non-17aa there should be less concern about it negatively affecting the HDL/LDL ratio.

Like the other DHEA derivatives, norDHEA would be useful in a transdermal application since the enzymes needed for the conversions to more powerful metabolites are concentrated in the skin and absorption through the skin using a good transdermal delivery cream could allow for 5-10x higher absorption than oral.

This compound would stack well with almost any other steroid, except those with progestational activity.

Common Clones:

Decavol by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)


Related Discussion

The Official norDHEA Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

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