1,4-AD (Boldione)

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-dione
androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-dione
1,4-Androstenedione
Chemical Formula: C19H24O2
Molecular Weight: 284.4
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 8%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: Low
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
800-1500mg/day standalone
400-1000mg/day when stacking
Average Cycle Length: 6 weeks
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Characteristics

Boldione is NOT a 17-alpha alkylated steroid, therefore high doses must be taken to accommodate for its rapid excretion from the liver.

Boldione itself likely does not have any significant anabolic or androgenic value. However after interaction with the 17b-HSD enzyme, boldione is converted to the illegal anabolic steroid boldenone. Boldione can also be converted to 1-androstenedione (1-AD) and/or 1-testosterone after interaction with the 5a-reductase enzyme. These metabolites are where this pro-hormone gets most of its effects.

Since boldione is a dione, conversions to the more powerful steroid metabolites are expected to be near 15-20%, which is another reason why such high doses are needed to see results.

This pro-hormone (and its metabolites) do not convert very readily to estrogen, so an aromatase inhibitor would likely not be needed during a cycle.

Results can be expected to kick in slowly after several weeks. Moderate gains in size and strength should be expected. This compound also has a tendency to increase appetite, which makes it a good choice for bulking.

Side effects are minimal with boldione, but can become more noticeable with doses above 1000mg/day. Side-effects may include increases blood pressure and oily skin. Overall, results and side-effects would be similar to that of boldenone, including lean mass gains with low bloating. Because this steroid is non-17aa there should be less concern about it negatively affecting the HDL/LDL ratio.

Although this compound can be used as a standalone, it is recommended to stack this compound with an already active steroid, as the high doses of boldione will likely saturate most of the steroid conversion enzymes.

Common Clones:

BOLD by IForce
EQ-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
BOLD 200 by IForce
EQ-Jet by Molecular Development
P-Bold by Proven Products


Related Discussion

The Official 1,4-AD (Boldione) Thread
Posted by Eric

References

“Criteria to distinguish between natural situations and illegal use of boldenone, boldenone esters and boldione in cattle: 1. Metabolite profiles of boldenone, boldenone esters and boldione in cattle urine.”

Bruno Le Bizec, Frédérique Courant, Isabelle Gaudin, Emanuelle Bichon, Blandine Destrez,
Robert Schilt, Rosa Draisci, Fabrice Monteau and François André
Steroids; Volume 71, Issues 13-14, December 2006, Pages 1078-1087


“An
in vitro study on metabolism of 17β-boldenone and boldione using cattle liver and kidney subcellular fractions”
R. Merlanti, G. Gallina, F. Capolongo, L. Contiero, G. Biancotto, M. Dacasto and C. Montesissa

“Pathology of the testicle and sex accessory glands following the administration of boldenone and boldione as growth promoters in veal calves”
Cannizzo, F.T.(Universita degli Studi di Torino (Italy)); Zancanaro, G.; Spada, F.; Mulasso, C.; Biolatti
Nov 2007 Veterinary science and hygiene

Dienedione (Tren)

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

19-norandrosta-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione
estra-4,9-diene-3b,17b-dione
4,9 Estra
Chemical Formula: C18H22O2
Molecular Weight: 270
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 20%
AR Binding Affinity: 5
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
100-200mg/day standalone
50-100mg/day when stacking
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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Characteristics

Dienedione is a non-methylated steroid that converts to a steroid known as 17b-hydroxy-estra-4,9,(10)-dien-3-one (dienolone).

Although dienedione may have some anabolic activity on its own, it gets most of its effects from conversion to dienedrone by interaction with 17b-HSD. This steroids overall effects are somewhere between trenbolone and nandrolone.

Dienedione is known for causing night sweats via its powerful thermogenic effects similar to trenbolone. This thermogenic effect makes dienedione an excellent choice for dropping bodyfat during cutting cycles.

As a 19-nor this compound has decent progestational effects which may lead to gyno symptoms, libido loss and aggressive mood swings. Part of the reason gyno may be a problem with this compound is also because it lacks androgenic potency and down-regulates DHT levels during cycle, which is the body’s natural estrogen blocker.

Dienedione does not convert to estrogen, although it can still lead to the side-effects mentioned above. Because this compound is not 17aa liver toxicity is not really a concern. However some users have reported elevated liver enzyme values during cycle, although this could be related to other factors.

Users usually experience rapid gains in strength and aggression, followed by significant weight gain after several weeks. The results are generally fairly lean with only minor bloat due to the progestational effects.

Dienedione can be used as a standalone. In an effort to prevent libido loss and gyno, it may be stacked with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to help keep DHT levels elevated during cycle.

Common Clones:

Dienedrone by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)
Liquidrone UTT by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)
X-Tren by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
Tren Xtreme by American Cellular Labs
Tren 250 by Genetic Edge Technologies (GET)
Trena by Nutracoastal


Related Discussion

The Official Dienedione (Tren) Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

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