Methylstenbolone

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):
2,17a-Dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one
Chemical Formula: C21H32O2
Molecular Weight: 316.5
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 3.9
Anabolic #: 660
Androgenic #: 170
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 50%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
5-20mg/day standalone
1-5mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 2-4 weeks

 

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Characteristics

Although this compound cannot convert to estrogen, it will bind strongly to SHBG, thus increasing freely circulating estrogen (and testosterone). While there is a lack of anecdotal feedback from this compound to tell the real world effect this compound may have on causing gyno, experience with related compounds tell us gyno symptoms may occur.

Users should be very careful with methylstenbolone and start out with a very low dose. This compound will likely produce a rapid increase in intracellular water retention by inhibiting 11-beta hydroxylase and building up levels of mineralcorticoids that will encourage sodium and water retention.

Gains upwards of 20-25lbs in 4 weeks are probably possible with this compound. However the liver toxicity issues would likely be the first reason why someone wouldn’t be able to make incredible gains from this compound. For this reason it would be extremely important to pre-condition the liver with a liver protecting supplement prior to cycling this compound, while continuing use throughout the cycle and during PCT.

The strength increases from this compound will likely encourage weight lifting heavier than tendons and joints are prepared to lift. It is recommended to be cautious of this and to naturally build up strength levels prior to cycling this steroid.

Using a low dose of methylstenbolone with a moderate dose of a non-methylated compound would be an acceptable way to try to limit the side-effects from this compound, although caution would still need to be taken for liver health no matter what dose is used.

Because of the strength and weight gain this compound would offer it would likely be best used as part of a bulking cycle.

Availability: 

UltraDrol by Antaeus Labs

Related Discussion

The Official Methylstenbolone Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

1,4,6 Androstatriene-dione (ATD)

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

Androsta-1,4,6-triene-3,17-dione
1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione
Chemical Formula: C19H22O2
Molecular Weight: 282
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 4%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: 2 days
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose: 25-100mg/day
Average Cycle Length: 4-8 weeks
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ATD is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor, known as a suicidal inhibitor because it permanently binds to the aromatase enzyme.

ATD is used for its aromatase inhibiting and testosterone boosting effect. Its effectiveness at lowering estrogen appears to be stronger than 6-oxo. It converts to 1,4,6-testosterone, which would also be expected to cause falsely high readings for a testosterone analysis.

The 1,4,6-testosterone metabolite of ATD can also bind to the androgen receptor (AR) and induce androgenic (or possibly anti-androgenic) effects similar to what is seen from 6-oxo. This would be expected since 1,4,6-testosterone has about one third the binding affinity for the AR, therefore it may interefere with the anabolic or androgenic action of hormones which bind the androgen receptor.

ATD would also be expected to interfere with production of natural testosterone by acting upon the hypothalamus pituitary testicular axis (HPTA), therefore this compound should not be used during post cycle therapy (PCT), however it could successfully be used during a cycle to help keep estrogen in control. Anecdotal reports and animal studies have also shown ATD inhibits libido and general sexual potency.

Common Clones:

Arom-X by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)
AIFM by Anafit
ATD MAX by Anabolic Formulations
ATD-JET by Molecular Developments
Reversitol by IForce


Related Discussion

The Official 1,4,6 Androstatriene-dione (ATD) Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Effect of an inhibitor of aromatization, 1,4,6 androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD) on LH release and steroid binding in hypothalamus of adult female rats.

Exp Brain Res. 1986;64(3):407-10.
Slama A, Gogan F, Sarrieau A, Vial M, Rostene W, Kordon C.

Effects of ATD on male sexual behavior and androgen receptor binding: a reexamination of the aromatization hypothesis.
ME Kaplan and MY McGinnis
Horm Behav, Mar 1989; 23(1): 10-26.

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Cynostane

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one
2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androst-3-one (incorrect name)
Chemical Formula: C21H31NO2
Molecular Weight: 329
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
40-50mg/day standalone
20-30mg/day when stacking
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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2-cyano-dromostolone is a 17aa molecule relatively new to the scene with very few reviews as of yet.

It has a cyano group attached to the 2 position. The chemical structure is the same as methyldrostanolone (Superdrol), except it has a CN group on the 2 position instead of a methyl group. It is a C-17aa steroid and it will be liver toxic. Although, due to the lack of the 4-ene on ring A and lack of 2-methylation, liver toxicity may be reduced relative to a di-methylated steroid such as Superdrol.

So far, feedback is very limited for this compound. However results would be expected to be fairly lean as this compound cannot convert to estrogen. Based on the chemical structure the anabolic potency would appear to be fairly potent with moderate androgenic potency.

At the time of this writing there was only one manufacturer to bring this product to the market and there seems to have been a nomenclature mistake on the labeling for this steroid. The chemical name contains the term “androst”, assuming that there is some sort of ene group on ring A. But there does not seem to be such mention of an ene group on ring A. Therefore, the term androst should be androstan. But if this is the case, the 2-cyano group needs to be stated as alpha or beta. This makes a big difference, since usually C2-alpha groups are significantly more effective than beta.

There are studies about other 2-cyano steroids such as 2-cyano-DHT and 2-cyano-progesterone. In separate studies, one done on dogs, it was seen that both of these 2-cyano steroids caused inhibition of 3b-HSD enzyme. This inhibition would cause severe adrenal suppression. This is a very unsafe inhibition. Whether it occurs in this cyano steroid is unknown, but users need to be aware of this possibility.

Common Clones:

Cynostane by Anabolic Innovation


Related Discussion

The Official Cynostane Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Halodrol

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3b,17b-diol
Chemical Formula: C20H29C1O2
Molecular Weight: 337
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 2.6
Anabolic #: 74
Androgenic #: 28
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: ~16 hours
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
100-150mg/day standalone
50-100mg/day when stacking
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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Halodrol is a 17aa steroid that converts to the steroid oral Turinabol after interaction with 3b-HSD at an estimated rate of about 5%.

Because of this low conversion, doses must be higher than other 17aa pro-steroids. However, it is suspected that Halodrol has decent potency without conversion as good results are seen despite the relatively low conversion to Turinabol. Based on Vida’s data Halodrol appears to be about as potent as testosterone, and significantly less androgenic.

Because of the 4-chloro group, halodrol has no progestational effects, it cannot interact with the aromatase enzyme, and it produces inactive 4-chloro-DHT metabolites. This makes androgenic side-effects such as hair loss, high blood pressure, acne and prostate enlargement less likely. Anecdotal reports would also have us believe that side-effects with this compound are fairly mild.

Although caution would still need to be had, the low androgenic value of this compound would also make it one of the more appropriate anabolic steroids for women wishing increase lean mass yet avoid a deeper voice, increased hair growth, acne and clitoral growth. (Oral Turinabol was actually the preferred steroid for Olympic female athletes in East Germany)

The lack of androgenic potency might be expected to create problems with gyno, however the low SHBG binding affinity has minimal interference with SHBG levels and/or freely circuiting estrogen and testosterone. It does not appear that halodrol has a significant gyno risk.

Because halodrol must be used at such a high dose to see noticeable effects, liver toxicity may become an issue. Therefore it is recommended to use a liver protecting supplement before and during halodrol cycles.

Gains from Halodrol generally take a few weeks to notice, but users can expect solid increases in strength, lean muscle mass, improved vascularity and minimal water retention. This allows some of the gains to be kept after the cycle if good diet and training are continued. Quick dramatic gains in size and strength are not generally noticed with Halodrol.

It is used successfully as a standalone, but would be expected to stack well with most other steroids, except 17aa oral due to liver toxicity concerns.

Common Clones:

Halo-MASS by Anabolic Formulations
HD-1 by Performance Design
H-Drol by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
Halovar by Purus Labs
Hemadrol by Engineered Sports Technology (EST)
Halodrol-50 by Gaspari Nutrition
Oral Turinadrol by Juggernaut Nutrition
Super Halo by Black China Labs
H-Drol by Nutracoastal
Helladrol by Mrsupps


Related Discussion

The Official Halodrol Thread
Posted by Eric

References

“Hepatotoxicity Associated With Dietary Supplements Containing Anabolic Steroids”

Michel I. Kafrouni, Robert A. Anders and Sumita Verma
Clinical Gastroenterology and Hepatology; Volume 5, Issue 7, July 2007, Pages 809-812

4-DHEA

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

1-androsten-3b-ol-17-one
4-Dehydroepiandrosterone
Chemical Formula: C19H28O2
Molecular Weight: 288
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 4%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
500-1000mg/day standalone
200-500mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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4-DHEA is a naturally occurring non-methylated (non-17aa) pro-steroid.

4-DHEA, like DHEA, requires a 2 step conversion process involving 3b-HSD and 17b-HSD to convert it to Androstenedione/androstenediol, and then testosterone. What makes 4-DHEA slightly different from DHEA is a double bond in the 4th position rather than the 5th. This makes 4-DHEA less estrogenic by not acting directly upon the estrogen receptor like DHEA has been found to do.

Although 4-DHEA can aromatize to estrogen it is probably not enough to cause high estrogen related side-effects.

Overall results will be similar to or the original 4-AD banned back in 2004. Higher doses of this compound will produce fairly lean gains in muscle mass, with moderate improvements in strength. This product may produce some bloat from the estrogen conversion, which could be countered by administering an aromatase inhibitor, but this will largely defeat the purpose of using this compound to begin with.

Since this compound is naturally occurring and non-methylated overall side-effects will be fairly mild. However, high doses may also lead to oily skin, acne and increased blood pressure. Because this steroid is non-17aa there should be less concern about it negatively affecting the HDL/LDL ratio.

Because this compound can convert to testosterone it can also convert to DHT and other 5a-reduced metabolites. This can serve as a good stack with progestational or relatively non-androgenic compounds that may create problems with libido or gyno because of lacking androgenic potency.

Although this compound is relatively safe and moderately effective, its high cost has probably been the reason for its lack of popularity.

Common Clones:

4-AD UTT by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)


Related Discussion

The Official 4-DHEA Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Dimethazine

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):
17beta-hydroxy 2alpha,17alpha-dimethyl 5alpha-androstan 3-one azine
Chemical Formula: C42H68N2O2
Molecular Weight: 632
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 2.2
Anabolic #: 210
Androgenic #: 95
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
20-40mg/day standalone
10-20mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 2-4 weeks
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Dimethazine is actually two steroid molecules bound together by a nitrogen atom. Upon ingestion, stomach acid separates the two steroid molecules that closely resemble methyldrostanolone (Superdrol).

Although dimethazine appears very similar to methyldrostanolone, the presence of a nitrogen at the 3rd position appears to increase its androgenic potency relative to its anabolic potency (210/95 compared to 400/20 for methyldrostanolone). Therefore, dimethazine could be considered a slightly weaker form of methyldrostanolone, but perhaps less likely to cause gyno related issues because of its higher relative androgenic value (and ability to antagonize estrogenic effects).

Otherwise, all side-effects and benefits could be considered relatively the same as methyldrostanolone. Liver toxicity and its associated side-effects of general sickness should still be expected, especially if the liver becomes compromised. Using a liver protecting supplement prior to and during a cycle of Dimethazine would be very important.

The quick gains in size and strength will likely be accompanied by increases in intense back pumps, high blood pressure, shortness of breath and oily skin. Vascularity would also be expected to improve with this compound due to the increase in extra-cellar water and possible decrease in subcutaneous water weight.

Because this compound is a 17aa oral, it is not recommended to be stacked with other 17aa oral steroids.

Common Clones:

Dymethazine by IForce


Related Discussion

The Official Dimethazine Thread
Posted by Eric

References

“Oral administration of an anabolic-androgenic steroid dimethazine increases the growth and food conversion efficiency and brings changes in molecular growth responses of carp (Cyprinus carpio) tissues”

LONE K. P. (1) ; MATTY A. J. ;
Nutrition reports international

“Contribution to the study of the proteoanabolic effects of dimethazine. (Clinical research)”
CEI C, ANSELMI G.
Gazz Med Ital. 1963 Feb;122:57-61

“A new steroid having proteo-anabolic action: dimethazine.”
DE RUGGIERI P, MATSCHER R, GANDOLFI C, CHIARAMONTI D, LUPO C, PIETRA E, CAVALLI R.Arch Sci Biol (Bologna). 1963 Jan-Mar;47:1-19.

Androstenetrione (6-OXO)

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

4-androsten-3,6,17-trione
3,6,17-androstenetrione
androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione
6-ketoandrostenedione
Chemical Formula: C19H24O3
Molecular Weight: 300
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 4%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: 3-6 hours
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose: 300-600mg/day
Average Cycle Length: 4-8 weeks
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Characteristics

6-OXO is a steroidal aromatase inhibitor, known as a suicidal inhibitor because it permanently binds to the aromatase enzyme.

It is used for its anti-estrogen and testosterone boosting effects.

There is debate about whether or not 6-oxo actually lowers estrogen or increases testosterone. Several human studies have shown an increase in estrone levels following 6-oxo supplementation. However, one of the primary metabolites of 6-oxo is 6-oxoestrone which may have given a false positive for elevated estrone levels. The human study also concluded that 6-oxo raised testosterone levels, however it is possible that 6-oxotestosterone (which is another metabolite of 6-oxo) gave a false positive for the testosterone level as well.

Another interesting element to these articles is that despite the supposed increase in testosterone (enough to cause significant improvements in body composition if given via injection) no improvements where found for fat free mass (FFM) or strength. Therefore, 6-oxo is either a weak AI that doesn’t really inhibit estrogen at the recommended dose and simply converts to metabolites which give false readings, or it actually does increase testosterone, while the 6-oxo metabolites antagonize the androgen receptor enough to block any anabolic effect from testosterone.

Either way, no ergonomic or real world benefit could be found after 6-oxo supplementation.

Its also worth mentioning that 6-oxo should never be used post cycle, as its steroidial effects would likely interfere with recovery of natural testosterone production.


Related Discussion

The Official Androstenetrione (6-OXO) Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Immunological interference of the synthetic aromatase inhibitor 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione (ATD) and its metabolite(s) in the radioimmunoassay for testosterone.

MD Donaldson and MG Forest
Steroids, Dec 1980; 36(6): 717-21

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men
Shalender Bhasin, et al.
Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab, Dec 2001; 281: E1172 – E1181.

Desoxymethyltestosterone (Pheraplex, DMT, Madol)

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):
17a-methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
17a-methyl-5a-androst-2-ene-17b-ol
Chemical Formula: C20H32O
Molecular Weight: 288
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 6.5
Anabolic #: 1200
Androgenic #: 187
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: ~9 hours
Legal Status (US): Listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
40-60mg/day standalone
10-30mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4 weeks
Stimulator
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Acne

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Characteristics

Desoxymethyltestosterone (DMT) is a 17aa steroid with equal toxicity as other 17aa oral steroids. While nearly all anabolic steroid molecules have a 3-keto group, Desoxymethyltestosterone lacks it, and has a 2-ene structure. This compound is readily active and does not require conversion.

DMT does not aromatize, nor does it appear to have any progestational activity, yet some users still experience gyno symptoms and bloat from this compound. This is likely related to the lack of androgenic potency from this compound (to antagonize the effect of estrogen). DMT may also contribute to gyno by displacing estrogen (and testosterone) from SHBG. It has also been proposed that DMT can inhibit 11b-hydroxylase and thus increase intracellular sodium and water retention by building up mineralcorticoid levels.

Depending on where you look, DMT has been reported to be 2-12 times more anabolic and 0.4-2 times as androgenic as methyltestosterone. It has been proposed that DMT is a naturally occurring substance because it has an almost identical structure to delta 2-androstenol, a naturally occurring pheromone in mammals. However, being a 17aa steroid hormone makes it synthetically altered and not naturally occurring. Either way, it is now a controlled substance in the United States.

Users should expect significant strength increases, weight gain, and bloat. Weight gains upwards of 20lbs in 4-6 weeks are not unheard of with this compound. The most obvious physical side effects will be strong muscular pumps, shortness of breath, high blood pressure, oily skin, and bloating. If users wanted to minimize toxic effect on the liver or other side effects, DMT could be used at doses as low as 10mg/day for a decent effect.

Being that this compound is methylated, it should not be stacked with other methylated compounds. Having moderately low androgenic activity, DMT may negatively affect the libido and erectile function. This side effect could be offset by stacking DMT with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to preserve DHT levels.

Common Clones:

P-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
Phera-Plex by Anabolic Xtreme
Nasty Mass by Purus Labs
Phera-VOL by Engineered Sports Technology (EST)
PheraFLEX by IForce
D-Stianozol by Nutracoastal
Pheradrol by PH Design
P-Max by Growth Labs
Phera-MAX by Generic Labs
Phera-BOL by Juggernaut Nutrition
Phera-Mass by Kilo Sports
Straight Phlexed by Black China Labs

Related Discussion

The Official Desoxymethyltestosterone (Pheraplex, DMT, Madol) Thread
Posted by Eric

References

“Characterisation of the pharmacological profile of desoxymethyltestosterone (Madol), a steroid misused for doping”

P. Diel, A. Friedel, H. Geyer, M. Kamber, U. Laudenbach-Leschowsky, W. Schänzer, M.
Thevis, G. Vollmer and O. Zierau
Toxicology Letters; Volume 169, Issue 1, 28 February 2007, Pages 64-71

1-Androsterone

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

1-androsten-3b-ol-17-one
1-Dehydroepiandrosterone
Chemical Formula: C19H28O2
Molecular Weight: NA
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 8%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
200-300mg/day Transdermally
400-600mg/day standalone (oral)
200-400mg/day when stacking (oral)
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks

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Characteristics

1- Androsteronetm (1-DHEA) is a non-methylated (non 17aa) pro-steroid that must convert to 1-androstenediol (1-AD), 1-androstenedione (original 1-AD) and/or 1-testosterone to be active. The double bond in the 1st position seems to slightly enhance its ability to resist excretion by the liver.

1-Androsterone occurs naturally in the body, and is a naturally occurring metabolite of DHEA. (2) The 17b-HSD enzyme converts 1-Androsterone to 1-Androstenediol, and the 3b-HSD converts it to 1-Androstenedione. Both of these 1-AD metabolites can then be converted to 1-Testosterone. Although the 1-AD metabolites are known to have some anabolic and androgenic effects on their own, 1-Testosterone is probably where most of the effects come from with this steroid.

There is no conversion to estrogen so users will not experience bloat with this compound, nor will it have a dramatic effect on blood pressure. However one unique side effect that users have reported with this compound is a feeling of lethargy. (It appears that stacking 1-Androsterone with a nuero-active hormone such as DHEA can help reverse this effect)

1-Androsterone (and primarily its metabolites) have relatively potent androgenic effects, therefore gyno is almost never an issue. However, because of the androgenic potency, this compound could pose a mild hair loss risk for those prone to MPB. Because this steroid is non-17aa there should be less concern about it negatively affecting the HDL/LDL ratio.

Results from this compound generally take a couple weeks to be realized. Moderate gains of lean muscle mass and strength can be expected, but users should not expect rapid increases in size or weight with this compound since extra-cellular and intra-cellular water retention are very minimal. This makes the gains from this steroid fairly easy to maintain post cycle.

1-Androsterone will stack well with almost any compound. For more dramatic gains in size and strength it is recommended to stack this compound with an aromatizing steroid or possibly one of the progestational compounds listed elsewhere.

Common Clones:

1-T by Primordial Performance
1-Androsterone by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)

Related Discussion

The Official 1-Androsterone Thread
Posted by Eric

References

1. 17beta-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-3-one (1-testosterone) is a potent androgen with anabolic properties.

A Friedel, et al.
Toxicol Lett, Aug 2006; 165(2): 149-55.

2. “Metabolism of 1-Dehydroandrostanes in Man”
Galletti and Gardi, et al.
J Steroid Biochem, 3 (1972), 933-936

norDHEA

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

5-estren-3b-ol-17-one
Nordehydroepiandrosterone
Chemical Formula: C18H26O2
Molecular Weight: 274
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 4%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
300-600mg/day standalone
200-300mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
Stimulator
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Characteristics

norDHEA is a non-methylated (non-17aa) pro-steroid. (naturally occurring in trace amounts in humans)

norDHEA can convert to the illegal anabolic steroid nandrolone by converting to norandrostenediol/norandrostenedione, and then to nandrolone. Nandrolone is known to have stronger anabolic effects than testosterone, yet weaker androgenic effects.

norDHEA will aromatize to estrogen less than regular DHEA, but because it is a nor compound it lacks strong androgenic metabolites. For instance, after nandrolone interacts with 5a-reductase, the metabolite dihydronandrolone (DHN) is formed, which is a weaker nor-version of DHT.

Ironically, the lack of estrogen conversion from norDHEA is probably balanced by the lack of androgenic potency and progestational effects, which makes the possibility of bloating and experiencing gyno about as likely as with regular DHEA.

One difference between norDHEA and DHEA that should be considered is the fact that norDHEA will have less androgenic effects, which may pose less risk of androgenic related hair loss and/or acne. This may be a smart choice for some men, and a decent choice for women looking for a moderately anabolic compound without much androgenic effect. (to avoid masculinizing side-effects)

Because of the low bio-availability, high doses must be used to notice gains in lean muscle mass and strength. Even with higher doses, the gains will be mild to moderate. Some bloat should be expected from the estrogenic and progestational effects of the nor-steroids. Because this steroid is non-17aa there should be less concern about it negatively affecting the HDL/LDL ratio.

Like the other DHEA derivatives, norDHEA would be useful in a transdermal application since the enzymes needed for the conversions to more powerful metabolites are concentrated in the skin and absorption through the skin using a good transdermal delivery cream could allow for 5-10x higher absorption than oral.

This compound would stack well with almost any other steroid, except those with progestational activity.

Common Clones:

Decavol by Advanced Muscle Science (AMS)


Related Discussion

The Official norDHEA Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

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