Methoxygonadiene

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
13b-ethyl-3-methoxy-2,5 (10)-gona-diene-17-one
Chemical Formula: C20H28O2
Molecular Weight: 300
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: NA
Anabolic #: NA
Androgenic #: NA
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 20%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: NA
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
50-75mg/day standalone
25-50mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4 weeks
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Characteristics

Methoxygonadiene is not a 17aa steroid so liver toxicity is not as harsh as with 17aa steorids, however the ethyl group on C-18 may make it slightly more toxic than a non-ethylated steroid (while increasing its oral bio-availability). The progestational activity of methoxygonadiene (once it is converted to its active metabolites) is considered to be slightly stronger than nandrolone.

In the stomach acid, the C-3 methoxy group is rapidly cleaved off and the double bond on the A ring at C-2 is lost. At this point, a 3-oxo is formed and a metabolite known as 13b-ethyl-nor-androstenedione is created, which is chemically similar to norbolethone, and probably where this compound gets most of its effects.

13b-ethyl-nor-androstenedione is about equal to testosterone in anabolic potency, yet less androgenic. This would make this compound fairly light on the hairline with minimal chance of acne or other androgenic side-effects.

With low androgenic activity, this compound may negatively affect the libido and erectile function. The lack of androgenic potency and progestational effects make this compound likely to cause gyno symptoms. Users could stack this compound with testosterone or one of its non-aromatizing metabolites to preserve DHT levels and possibly prevent these side-effects.

Users experience rapid weight gain from this compound partly due to subcutaneous water retention from the progestational activity. Therefore the overall gains from this compound may lead to a bloated appearance. Because of the progestational effects, users should avoid stacking this compound with other gyno aggravating compounds. Methoxygonadiene can aromatize to estrogen in small amounts, however not to any significant degree, therefore an aromatase inhibitor would provide little protection against this compounds side-effects.

Common Clones:

Revolt by KiloSports
M-LMG by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
X-MASS by Generic Labs
Deiselbolan by Mrsupps


Related Discussion

The Official Methoxygonadiene Thread
Posted by Eric

References

Anabolic Pharmacology
Seth Roberts (2009)

Methylepitiostanol (Epistane)

Diagram of molecule

Chemical Name(s):

2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol
2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Chemical Formula: C20H30OS
Molecular Weight: 320.5
CAS: NA
Q Qatio: 12
Anabolic #: 1,100
Androgenic #: 91
Oral Bioavailability: Estimated at 40%
AR Binding Affinity: NA
SHBG Binding Affinity: NA
Half Life: ~6 hours
Legal Status (US): Not listed as a controlled substance
Average Dose:
40-50mg/day standalone
10-20mg/day when stacked
Average Cycle Length: 4-6 weeks
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Characteristics

Methylepitiostanol is a methylated version of the steroid Epitiostanol. It is readily active and does not require conversion. Under the influence of heat methylepitiostanol readily breaks down to 17a-Methyl-androstan-2-en-17b-ol (DMT), a now illegal anabolic steroid.

It does not aromatize, however it is possible that methylepitiostanol may offset estrogen and testosterone from SHBG thus increase the risk of gyno for certain individuals with high SHBG levels. Gyno symptoms from this compound may also be a result of this compounds inability to form a potent androgen such as DHT (to antagonize the effects of estrogen). However, in other cases methylepitiostanol can be used to prevent or reduce gynecomastia from an estrogenic steroid by acting as an aromatase inhibitor to keep estrogen down.

It is a DHT derivative with a fairly moderate androgenic value so the chances of hair loss may be increased in certain sensitive users. Swelling of the prostate may also become an issue. The powerful estrogen suppressing action of this steroid and its 17aa stucture will cause it to negatively influence the cholesterol profile by lowering HDL and increasing LDL. It has also been reported to cause stiff joints, possibly related to its suppressive effect on estrogen levels.

Anecdotal reports of appetite suppression and general fatigue would lead one to believe that the liver stress from this 17aa compound is rather severe. For this reason it is recommended to use a liver protecting supplement prior to and during the use of this steroid.

Methylepitiostanol has a strong anabolic action that will lead to quick gains in lean muscle mass and strength with very little bloat. The gains will appear with minimal fat gain and increased vascularity.

Because methylepitiostanol can negatively affect joint comfort it is recommended to be stacked with an aromatizing or progestational compound. However, it is not recommended to stack this steroid with another 17aa oral.

Common Clones:

Epistane by Innovative Body Enhancement (IBE)
Havoc by Primaforce
Havoc by Recomp Performance Nutrition (RPN)
Epi-MAX by Anabolic Formulations
M14-E by Purus Labs
Methyl-E by Engineered Sports Technology (EST)
E-Max by Juggernaut Nutrition
E-Stane by Competitive Edge Labs (CEL)
Hemaguno by Spectra Force Research
Hemapolin by Starmark Labs
Epi-Mass by Armour Nutrition
Epidrol by Genera Labs
Methyl Freak by Rockhard Formulations
Epistrong by Mrsupps


Related Discussion

The Official Methylepitiostanol (Epistane) Thread
Posted by Eric

References

“2{alpha},3{alpha}-Epithio-5{alpha}-androstan-17ß-yl 1-Methoxycyclopentyl Ether in the Treatment of Advanced Breast Cancer —A Preliminary Clinical Trial”

SOICHI KUMAOKA, M.D., OSAMU TAKATANI, M.D., MINORU YOSHIDA, M.D., SHIGETO MIURA, M.D., TETSUTO TAKAO, M.D., YÜJI HAMANAKA, M.D., MASARU IZUO, M.D. and TADAKAZU OKADA, M.D.
Japanese Journal of Clinical Oncology 4:65-68 (1974)

“Inhibited growth in vivo of a mouse pregnancy-dependent mammary tumor (TPDMT-4) by an antiestrogen, 2alpha, 3alpha-epithio-5alpha-androstan-17beta-ol (10275-S).”
Matsuzawa A, Yamamoto T.Cancer Res. 1976 May;36(5):1598-606.

“Antitumor Effect of Two Oral Steroids, Mepitiostane and Fluoxymesterone, on a Pregnancy-dependent Mouse Mammary Tumor (TPDMT-4)1”
Akio Matsuzawa and Tadashi Yamamoto
Cancer Research 37, 4408-4415, December 1, 1977

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